Craig, In 1 Corinthians 13, Paul wrote that the sign gifts would cease when the complete came. It (The Body) could not have been formed before Lord Jesus was risen from the dead! after this 1,000 years? Gal.3:23. I dont see any indication that James ever did accept Pauls revelation. What I did find was the Glorious Risen Lord and now I am free and happy. My name is Michael and I live in the Phoenix metropolitan area. If this is the place of blessing where Lazarus was then it seems the Lord moved Paradise to heaven. Joe, Yes. Did the Holy Spirit allow him to speak vain things? He explicitly stated these things. In the Church, no difference exists between Jew and Gentile. There is only one spirit. This is essentially the idea of the olive tree illustration of Romans 11. O woman your faith is great; be it done for you as you wish. James, Again, youve entered the realm of the ridiculous. The Twelve never had a ministry to Gentiles according to the Scriptures. TRW, When I write church I mean the Church, the body of Christ. What Peter said was the faith component of the gospel of the kingdom. Therefore, the Church began at Pentecost. Peter found them difficult (2 Peter 3.16) but understood that Pauls was Gods man going forward. Paul thought the Rapture would occur in his lifetime. So why would those PCIs change for a believing Israelite in todays dispensation? 1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each of you is The intervening time, about 40 years from the time of Jesus crucifixion, was a period of testing. Thank you. I have exactly the same question as Joe mentions in his comments above. Paul never told believers to leave everything, sell their possessions, and give them to the Church. Yeah it is sad to see people that are blind to the truth of Pauls revelations and distort the grace doctrine. Ephesians 3.1). After the Diaspora in 70 A.D. most of Christendom dismissed any hope of the Jews to return to their land. Yes, he and all his pastors on multiple campuses in our state which will include tens of thousands of people, are going to teach Jesus Our Savior and King! They set this up about three weeks ago on a Sunday when all the pastors started mentioning that Jesus is our King! EPHESIANS 2:12-18 (WE BOTH HAVE ACCESS BY ONE SPIRIT TO THE FATHER) EPH 3:6 GENTILES HAVE BEEN GRAFTED IN. Im sorry brother but this is totally wrong when compared with the context of scripture as a whole and not pulling out this part and that part and trying to mix and match to piece an idea together. That demonstrated Israel would not repent. This language is unique to the Church. Only Paul, was taught by the Spirit of Christ and given the hidden revelations of the mystery of Christ. We reached out to a non-messianic orthodox Jewish synagogue to ask if we could participate in their Passover and we explained why. Jewish precedence ended by the time Paul wrote Ephesians. But he passed away a couple years ago. NO ONE EVER DREAMED THAT TO EVER HAPPEN We Gentiles have been grafted in the expense of the Jewish believers ROMANS 11:17. Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. Most denominations and non-denominations are still teaching we have to live by the Ten Commandments! Blessings! I love studying rightly dividing the Word. God will redeem that body and transform it into a body like Christs, an immortal body uncorrupted by sin. More and more are being enlightened! The Apostles had been promised leadership roles in the Kingdom. These Gentiles were saved under the gospel of the kingdom. Why would God need to resurrect a body that in some form was already in heaven? While the uncircumcision evangel (the nations or gentiles along with believing Israelites)is a celestial destiny. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh. Luke does not report when they were saved but certainly before Acts 15. The best analysis of it is Cornelius R. Stams book, The Controvery (Holding Fast the Faithful Word). The Gospels are OT just as much as Jeremiah. The Rabbi said yes and they treated us like family that night during the 5 hour event. 1. Oh well. Sometimes Paul referred to the new man as the Church and other times as our new nature (Ephesians 4.24; Colossians 3.10). Stacy, The saved before Christs resurrection were held in Paradise (Luke 23.43), a.k.a. 1 The Church is the Body of Christ ( Ephesians 1.22-23; 1 Corinthians 12.12-13; Romans 12.3-5; Colossians 1.24 ). Paul wrote about this specifically in Romans 1. Who God is and who we are is the foundation of mental health. The Twelve had great difficulty understanding Paul and at times opposed him. I would like to hear your thoughts on this particular point and if you think this is a legitimate reason why the church could not have begun on the Day of Pentecost. I would LOVE to believe what you are saying, but it contradicts scripture on many levels. Freddy, The Church, the body of Christ, is Jew and Gentile equal in Christ. Everything relating to Peter or the 12 involved kingdom conversion. Only after Acts 15 was Pauls gospel the only legitimate gospel. Does John 10:9 prove that Jesus was preaching about the himself as the church-body? The ARC church I attend is very Calvinistic and they do indeed teach that. This was the requirement to be a citizen of the Messianic Kingdom. There are two universes in biblical presentation. Are those who state they believe in Christ and attempt to follow in His ways, but dont understand the special calling to be the Church which is His body, going to be inheritors of the Church which is His body. Peter and the other apostles after the Lords ascension up to glory after his command to reach out to Jerusalem first had only revelation from Genesis to Malachi as well as what the Lord taught them while he was on earth, so all they could do is preach what was given to them. Albeit the Apostles did not know including Paul until as scripture states Jesus reveald it to Paul, but I think it clearly had to begin at the Ressurection because without the ressurection, there could not have been a revelation of the secret.. My thoughts are just because it wasnt revealed untill later, in Gods plan it began at the ressurection.. Much like salvation has been paid for (past tense) but many still have to have their eyes open to see the truth. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. Barbara, I owe Les Feldick for opening my understanding to Pauls unique apostleship. The great strength of Christ's body is due to the vast array of believers' experiences, perspectives, and abilities. The millennial Kingdom of God is on earth under the leadership of Christ and the designated saints, David , twelve apostles etc; to evangelize the nations, to bring them to Christ. He is the baptizer of Israel (Matthew 3.11; Mark1.8; Luke 3.16; John 1.33 cf. 1. after the stoning of Stephen, they scattered (who? Your thoughts? Are you saying that Israel could have repented during those 19 years (51 to 70) and the Tribulation and kingdom would have come?? 4.11? Reading further into this passage reveals this was not the case. Did he mean the Jewish church to which the Twelve had been ministering? Jesus did not come to found the Church; He came to present Himself to Israel as their Messiah-King (cf. 1 Cor 15: 1-4. Paul was preaching a different message one of faith without works; one that emphasizes belief only that Jesus died for our sins and we do not have to work for it anymore. From the context, we can see that in verses 32 and 41, crowd or mob would serve as a better translation of. It seems apparent that they are spiritually blinded. God established the Church, the Body of Christ, with the conversion and commission of Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles. , Tradition states Thomas went to India to minister to Jews, not Gentiles. Paul was speaking to the Jews in Romans 1:17, by the way none-the-less, for your consideration on the subject of Romans and the precursory message and purposes in the openeing chapters of the book, starting at around 13:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8UNX60I1Y, (I do hope Don will tell us who he listens to! See https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=pray%2A&t=KJV&csr=12#s=s_primary_0_1. (Gentiles). Here the nobleman represents Jesus. Only when the Holy Spirit shows us the beauty of Jesus Christ and causes regeneration in us are we then set on the road to sanctification (holiness) without which no one will see God(salvation). ???? Paul taught that the Church is the body of Christ. (Revelation 21), in the eternal state? When was that commandment rescinded by the Lord? A careful study of the above will show that the Body of Christ started at Pentecost and was all Jewish and that Jewish believers were first called Christians(to the Jew first)but since the nation of Israel rejected Christ and their commission to evangelize the world,God in his grace called out Paul to go to the world(both Jews and Gentiles nations) and now we are all placed into one body that started at Pentecost by one Spirit. It is used for the Church in the wilderness in Acts 7:38. I record all of his programs and watch them when i can. George, It is not completely clear whom Paul has in mind but other references to apostles in Pauls writings include the following: 1 Thessalonians 1.1, 2.6. Fellowship with God through Christ and the Holy Spirit. They abandoned him. Was really been stuck here for awhile. Thanks in advance for your reply. He wasnt a prisoner of Rome but of Christ. In this role he will fulfill theAbrahamic, Palestinian, Davidic, Sabbatic, and New covenants. Can I read into Acts 1:8 that this coming upon the disciples was the Old Testament version of our association with the Holy Spirit? After Paul, however, God created a new entity, the Church, the body of Christ, in which no distinction exists between Jew and Gentile. 2nd. I realize you dont need a spiritual body guard seeing you have listened to John Pipers APG episode and had enough depth to ascertain the truth that was presented. After all, what are we doing when we remember JESUS, the TRUTH. NIGHT OF OPEN HEAVEN || DAY 45 [100 DAYS FASTING & PRAYER - Facebook I cannot find and scriptures to help me with question. Dr. Karen Georgia Thompson as the first woman, and the first Black woman, to lead the denomination as General Minister and President. Thanks again for your encouraging words. What should our churches in Christ look like? Blessings! Gentiles are being blessed on the basis of the Abrahamic covenant which foretold Gentile blessing. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. Thank you. Don, I struggle to understand the following expression uttered by you, Peter thought the Tribulation was near since he quoted all of Joel 2 at Pentecost. Did Peter speak out of his own mind, or by the influence of the Holy Spirit? Recommended to me by a newly minted pastor out DTS in the early 1990s. I can see these jews getting eternal life if they endure to the end but I find a hard time seeing these same jews getting eternal life in the present tense and forfeiting something they got once they believed but forfeited their present eternal life down the road ? Is that your understanding? The RCC is based primarily upon the apostleship of Peter, not Paul. The Hebrew word most often translated into iswhich is usually rendered as assembly or congregation., A good example of this sense is found in Acts 19.32, 39, 41. The body metaphor for the people of God is a powerful image that bespeaks the new historical reality brought about in Christ. Don, I thought the New Testament did not start until atleast the death of Christ (Hebrews 9), for I beleieve during the last supper Christ was just illustrating the necessity of his death for the New Testament, not that He was initiating it during the supper. When one does this, one can see Paul only as an appendage to the 12 rather than Gods apostle to found a whole new program, the Church. Jesus required this for citizens of the kingdom of God (cf. The Jews were to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. Read Matthew 1.1-17, 2.2, 27.37. Such was the character of the Jerusalem church. George, In 2 Thessalonians 1.8 Paul told the Thessalonian believers that God would punish those who were persecuting them in the Tribulation (which he thought was about to come). They are off base in these areas. Surely its the fallen ones? The Church came into being on the basis of the death and resurrection of Christ. Matthew 19.28). Israel always and only means a physical descendant of Jacob. However, Jesus himself certainly knew that this was only one side of the coin. Prior to this time, the kingdom had been near. This message was still all Jew. No Gentiles were in view. now Paul is seldomly referred to as the disciple, he was brought by Barnabas and they assembled with the CHURCH. Best wishes, John D. John, Translating the Greek depends on context. I am clear that the Body is Christs. There is a very interesting parallel here between Abraham and Peter in Isaiah 51:1-2: Jesus here makes Peter a true father over the household of faith, just as God made Abraham our true father in the Faith (cf. Hi Don, Thank you for your works on this website, I know youre on the right track in understanding Gods word just like Pastor Rodney Beaulieu of Grace Bible church Community. The thought of the passage is that salvationthe entire salvation package of being saved by the grace (of God) through the faith (Pauls gospel) is the gift of God. Such a reading agrees with Pauls other statements regarding salvation as Gods gift (Romans 5.15-18, 6.23; 2 Corinthians 9.15; Ephesians 3.7, 4.7). You are Abrahams seed in the sense that Abraham was saved by faith alone (Romans 4.1-5) like we are by believing Pauls gospel of grace (1 Corinthians 15.1-4). In the Old Testament, Abraham is also called the Rock. Again, great study. https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/will-we-be-finally-saved-by-faith-alone, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8UNX60I1Y, https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/new-testament-church-can-be-bride-body-jesus-christ-jerusalem/?fbclid=IwAR0Kvk1PKZy9vzFeso72-sDXjLmjtq8LGmRZK1UxTuZbd49UT6OF91KqtE4, http://av1611studyblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-term-in-christ.html, https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=pray%2A&t=KJV&csr=12#s=s_primary_0_1, https://bmarkanderson.com/how-many-apostles-in-the-new-testament-12-or-25/, The Value of the Four Gospels - RevivedLife.com, Faith vs. Works in James: Resolving the Problem. Peter clearly was writing Jews (1 Peter 1.1). 2:13. Paul stated the Church was a secret. I dont claim to fully understand how this plays out for the ages. The Church does not undergo such judgment (Romans 5.9; 1 Thessalonians 1.10, 5.9). The two are brought together into one tree, or, as in Ephesians one household, one temple. A child is spanked because he plays with fire. So OT believers are not part of it. 3.28). Thank you for your dedication to rightly dividing the Word of God. Pockets of true doctrine have existed throughout the centuries. Peter obeyed, but not joyfully. [2 Thessalonians 3:1] Paul goes on and says work night and day in the WORD. Its obvious the vast majority of so-called Christiandom is preaching a false accursed Gospel. What about that? But then I look at Rev chap 21 and it Has Israel written all over it! Paul declared he was the apostle of the Gentiles who laid the foundation (singular) of the Church (1 Corinthians 3.10-11; 1 Timothy 1.15-16). Below is the argument for the traditional view.1. If I know how and why some of these things are so, it will help me to look objectively at it and determine how and where those scholars may be mislead and when I know more, will become more solid in my convictions and my defence. All these books were addressed to Jews, not to the Church. Thank you. This is why Paul wrote in Ephesians 3 that this truth was a secret of which God had made him the minister. Joe, Yes. The new creature or new creation is the Church (2 Corinthians 5.17; Galatians 6.15). IN SHORT, ANYONE WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS AFTER HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION ARE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST i.e THE CHURCH. 1.3, 6.3, 2 Tim. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. The nations did not want to be proselytized. He learned his lesson (Acts 22.18 cf. I was wondering about Acts 20:28, is that referring to the Jewish church? True following of Pauls doctrines will lead to fellowship and harmony. Jesus said. Ive tried researching online but havent found anything I can use scripturally to show Catholics are mistaken. He enumerated a series of procedural steps to follow. Hi Don Thanks for your reply. You could follow that up with what Paul communicated to Timothy concerning false teachers (1 Tim. But in grace, Gentiles are being blessed due to the failure of Israel. The fact of the matter is that while some of Pauls doctrines are noted as mystery most of his teachings were secret, whether noted or not. The Church was born on the day of Pentecost with the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2.1-4 cf. 10:32, 11:22, 15:9. God further revealed the plan through his covenants with Israel. The baptism of the Holy Spirit occurred at Pentecost. I think that the offer of the kingdom (for national Israels repentance) was on the table until the stoning of Stephen which would line up with what Jesus spoke of in Luke 13:6-9 showing that Israels call to repentance was only offered for one year after the Lords death. I would argue Paul was the greatest advocate of prayer. This is the Lords Supper!!! 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. With the creation of the Church, it joined Israel as fellow citizens. Matthew 18 provides a good example of how the word should be interpreted prior to Paul. 29 Are all apostles? During the three years prior to this event He had preached that the kingdom of God was near. Luke 22:19-20 This is my body which is given for you. And after saying this he dismissed the assembly (v. 41). Just pondering that. Act 11:24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. The poison that began in the 1st century continues today which explains why Christendom spends 90+% of its time in the Gospels. God has revealed varying rewards and punishments exist. Why are some saved and others lost? The assembly of Jewish believers (except the 12) were scattered. Don, what do you think about Christians/churches that celebrate the Passover Seder? 2. the truth is the disciples preached to none but Jews, until Paul the Apostle to Gentile., but I do believe after chapter 15 after meeting at Jerusalem and Peters declaration, they slowly adapted to accepting Gentiles salvation too. They took issue with him. In their view, Peter had abandoned the divine program. Peter expected the Lord to come in judgment and to establish His kingdom. When Christ died, we died with Him. He committed adultery. Ditto. ..Maybe this is exactly what is going to happen. But then shortly afterwards, God put the prophetic program on hold and would not take it up again for 2000+ years, thereby rendering the evangelism command to the Twelve obsolete and leaving them in no mans land without further purpose (since the calling to establish the church went only to Paul)? Joe, Paul referred to the Lord as King in 1 Timothy 1.17, 6.15. His message to the nation was one of repentance because the kingdom of heaven was near, i.e., the King was present. I tussle with this. In about 50-51 A.D. the counsel in Jerusalem met (Acts 15). The sad fact is Paul wrote he lost all of Asia in his lifetime (2 Timothy 1.15). Tommy, The Church, the body is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Bobbi, Paul was clearly saved under the kingdom gospel. How can one put faith in something they have no knowledge of? John, The possibility of Israels repentance extended until 70 A.D. Thats why we have the warnings in Hebrews and Revelation. he wrote: In Scripture the church of this dispensation is symbolized as the Body of Christ, never as the Bride. Sometimes for scriptures to marry up (excuse the pun) it seems as soon as I find one answer another question pops it head up. His mission was to fulfill the covenant promises to Israel (Romans 15.8). He had risen from the dead. The world rejected the Israelites. If that is so then its a clue. Jesus told the Jews, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and you would not! The would not is an act of free will. Some apostles were chosen directly by Godthe 12 and Paulwho had seen the resurrected Christ. Both programs were in play until then. Given his wit and humor, this revelation must be a source of mirth to him. John wrote after the Council of Jerusalem which settled the message of salvation. Introduction. Your website is so helpful! It was not the birth to the Church, the Body of Christ for nothing in the Old Testament spoke of the Church. Are you saying that he is a Gentile member of Israel? Clearly there is an -US- and a -THEM- in the passage. So in that sense it is scriptural. When we do surrender our desires with His the Holy Spirit is LOUD- we can actually hear Him. Works are the result of salvation in Pauls gospel (Ephesians 2.8-10) not a requirement for salvation. why do we today claim He died for our sins also. Everything else is secondary and non-essential. Vernon, By the time Peter wrote this letter he had declared Pauls gospel to be the only gospel (Acts 15.11). The question really is one of correctly understanding the Scriptures. He has used scripture to justify his departure from family to live a life that is devoid of all worldly influence (give up all possessions, not subscribing to anything that is worldly), etc) He describes his small group of followers as purely biblical and that they subscribe to Pauls Christ. 1:16, that Paul was first in the dispensation of the grace of God. Hi Don, As a new believer I am extremely thankful for your writings. Leon, Christs work on the cross saves body, soul, and spirit. If Galatians was written before the Jerusalem Conference it is what it is. Jesus came to fulfill the prophetic program revealed in the OT (Romans 15.8). Cant give you the location at this time but I am sure that you can find it . What is worse, Jesus did so very knowingly he had already foreseen that Israel would not repent and would be judged by God for that (Luke 19:41-44). 7But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peterhad been to the circumcised 8(for He who effectually worked for Peter in hisapostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),9and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised(Galatians 2:6-9). Yet in 1 Cor 12 where Pau talks about spiritual gifts, the gift of healing and even of tongues are mentioned. But what Im confused about is that Paul did not preach grace or the body of Christ right away. This cup is the new covenant between God and His people an agreement confirmed with my blood which is poured out as a sacrifice for you., I had a friend say that the gospels DO contain Christianity and this was the verse they quoted. However, like you say, the program continued, likely until the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Peter addressed only Jews at Pentecost. Vanessa, the body of Christ existed , like doc. After the rapture, where is the church? They snap right on to Malachi. His death and resurrection had fulfilled all that was required to atone for sin. 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. Karel, When Jesus made His statement in Matthew 16, the Church did not exist. Is it as simple as that, by being made one man with the remnant, we share in the peace of Israel through Christ? As late as Acts 10, long after Pentecost, Peter and the apostles had gone to no Gentiles. It seems Peter never fully grasped Pauls revelations but he did understand Pauls gospel of grace. I grew up in church and lots of guilt and condemnation and am so very grateful to God that he brought my path around to learn from Les Feldick, all Glory to God! Did Peter and the others continue the Kingdom gospel or transfer over to the Gospel of Grace as presented by Paul? It had no members. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 10.27-28). Being a recovering Christian religion musician (35 years) has been quite a ride. I dont think we have the ability to comprehend what life will be like in a new universe with no entropy (1 Corinthians 2.9). little confused here :/, The only thing I can understand from Jesus saying this is that Jesus assumes in an omniscient way that those who truly believe like the good branches that produce good fruit -Jesus is assuming that these presently have and sees their end as having unwavering faith that justifies them having present and future everlasting life maybe u have a different view or can explain it better , I would like to know thanks, 2) I understand that works cannot save anyone , that the opposite of Faith is doubt and The opposite of works if grace , but having said that , for the gospel for the little remnant God shows them the same GRACE he does in the future , only if their faith is accompanied by requires works Thus their formula is Grace =faith that must be shown by works dont their works and their faith merit this Grace, The just shall live by HIS faith -Old Testament Doctrine, The just shall live BY faith body of Christ doctrine, Shedding some light on these verses would also be helpful thanks. For salvation today one is not saved by believing in the identity of Christ, i.e., He is the Messiah, the Son of God, but in His work, that He died for our sins and rose from the dead. It was sitting in front of us but we were waiting on the instruction to drink it because the entire dinner is very structured. Paul wrote the Ephesians that by revelation the secret was revealed to him (v. 3) and that this secret was unknown to other generations and sons of men (v. 5). The Body of Christ Church International, U.S.A., a multi-faceted ministry, is located in Fayetteville, Georgia.
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